Holly ([info]ercasse_ainince) wrote,
@ 2004-07-14 23:08:00
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Flirting continues
So today Kathy and I went to take another deposition for the cute, deep-voiced attorney. He seemed happy to see me. We exchanged looks whenever he wasn't questioning (and sometimes when he was). During breaks we talked a lot, though usually with others around. We guaged each other's minds, discussing Latin, Greek, and Biblical scholarship. (This exchange, to me, was the most intimate and meant the most in terms of "I like you." Nerd-flirting, if you will.) Even during the questioning of witnesses, he seemed to slip me information. He managed to get off topic, while on the record with one witness, to inform her and whoever else was listening that he graduated high school in '90, making him about six years older than I. Before we left, he asked when he'd be seeing me again. Sadly, I wasn't able to answer definitely. Kathy isn't scheduled to another deposition for him this week.

I'm not sure what the goal is in the flirting game, when one can say, "I won!" I assumed it would be his asking me for contact information. But he didn't. I was disappointed. Now, however, I realize that it might be partly my fault. As inexperienced a flirt as I am, and as introverted as I am, I didn't help him create an opportunity for us to talk privately. He did seem to hang back for me. He left the conference room before Kathy was packed up, but we still ran into him in the hall. He stood talking in one room until Kathy and I got there. Then he walked out while Kathy was still talking. I should probably have followed him then to wait for Kathy outside, but I was trying to be polite and hold the door for her. So I didn't give him the opportunity, I guess. And no, I never once considered taking the initiative myself. I am certainly not that brave.

I have discovered that I possess the two qualities most antipathetic to flirting: sincerity and self-awareness. A flirt must be able to be insincere and flippant, something I can almost never be. She must also be confident and in the moment. This I will probably never be. I am far too self-conscious. Instead of watching the other person and guaging him, I guage myself. This act both undermines my confidence and pulls me out of the here-and-now perspective a skilled flirt maintains.

So we'll call this a practice run. It was pretty fun.



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[info]amyzilla
2004-07-14 08:42 pm UTC (link)
I hope you see him again. Reading your past three entries has been like reading a romance novel, except I know you.

And on another note, of course you wouldn't pursue him silly, he should pursue you! :) At least that's the Holly I know. ;)

Who knew work could bring us so much more? :-D

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Being pursued
[info]ercasse_ainince
2004-07-15 01:46 pm UTC (link)
Yes, I'd prefer to be pursued. But, you may have noticed, with greater opportunity and power for women comes a decrease of the male's advantage in romance. ("Hey, female, you cannot be secure financially or socially without a man, and I might just be the one to give you those advantages!") Hence, men are less and less assertive in the game of romance.

My position, for quite a while, has been that women have actually controlled romance from its introduction to societies. As soon as feelings became an issue, women had the advantage. We are, in general, subtler, more empathetic, and more diplomatic (could be even more manipulative emotionally). But how have women controlled romance without men's noticing? By disguising our control.

The male ego is very much wrapped up in his feeling competent. He can't feel competent if he isn't the mover/shaker/leader/decision maker. The minute he realizes that the female controls romance, he will get out of that picture. So she pretends not to be. Society constructs traditions that give the male the illusion of control and the female the reality. For instance: the male tends to make the first verbal initiation of romance. He asks out the girl. He asks for her phone number. So he feels in control. He thinks that since he made the first direct action, he must have made the decision. It is not so. You and I know that for the average male to have the courage to make that move, he must have encouragement. Though he doesn't know it himself, he must be assured that the female will say "yes" before he approaches her. It is the female's job to make it obvious that she wants the male. She makes the decision. Then, if you need more evidence, note who gets veto power in romantic initiations -- the female.

The problem with more power for women is that men are losing their illusion of power, feeling less confident, and losing motivation in romance. They are beginning to see that women have the power. Their competence-based egos suffer, and they feel they have little to offer. They don't ask us out.

There are, of course, guys who have old-fashioned romantic ideas of liking to pursue and disliking being pursued. These are guys who are a) sexily confident (my type) or b) arrogant.

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Re: Being pursued
[info]amyzilla
2004-07-27 06:55 pm UTC (link)
Holly, you always amaze me with how intelligent you are. Whenever you give me one of your long, thoughtful replies I think to myself that I'll respond with the same. But instead I wait weeks trying to come up with something as fanastic as what you said and can't. You make me wish I had the same command of the English language. You're the best. I hope your job and flirting is working out well. :)

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Re: Being pursued
[info]ercasse_ainince
2004-07-28 03:14 pm UTC (link)
Aw, thank you, babe!

You are quite intelligent yourself. One's ability to express ideas verbally is no direct measurement of one's intelligence. If you'll notice, I tend to stick to abstract, tenuous, and unprovable topics. That way I can state my opinion emphatically, as if it is undeniably true, with no fear that someone may come along and prove me wrong. :)

P.S. I have a place to live!!!!!!!!!!

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[info]supernifty
2004-07-14 09:30 pm UTC (link)
Seriously Holly, write your name and number on the back of a business card and give it to him. It's a direct hint that puts the ball in his court. No awkward asking.

*chants Go Holly!*

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[info]ercasse_ainince
2004-07-15 01:49 pm UTC (link)
Only, if he isn't interested or dislikes forward females, there will be tons of awkwardness when he calls up Pace for a deposition and they send me. Or he could decide to take his business elsewhere and hurt the company.

Or I'm just a coward.

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(Anonymous)
2004-07-15 04:31 pm UTC (link)
So, now that you've had your warm-up, you're ready for the next variation, and one that's much more fun! The sport of Freeway Flirting. The object is to find a hot guy driving on the highway and catch his eye. Then you can spend the next 5-10 miles checking each other out while driving. Then when one of you takes an exit, you can go looking for the next target. It's loads of fun. You can do this anywhere, although, both times this happened to me, it started in Clayton. Go figure.

-Jen

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NO FREEWAY FLIRTING PLEASE!!
(Anonymous)
2004-08-07 08:24 pm UTC (link)
Holly:

I'll promise to try not to ask if you need a wrap when I am cold, or need to go to bed when I am sleepy. However, I MUST point out the possibility of very UNPLEASANT results with your friend's suggested flirting practice.

The interesting "hunk" in the other car is a complete stranger, AND your eyes belong on the road rather than exchanging alluring glances with car strangers.

Save those for that cute lawyer.

MOM

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